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    [Debunked] Black Holes Never Existed

    I think corrupted educational system is a tool of massive mind control in modern society. Modern science finally turned into an elaborated sick joke or belief system. At one point I got so disgusted by the dirty history of science since late 19th century. But Science and Technology represent true intelligence as an evolved species. So I started to embrace science and technology from different perspective as an active interpreter rather than a passive recipient who can't exercise free thinking at all.

    This thread will be collection of essay and scientific papers, I've gathered personally, written by real scientists either in past or present time.

    Warning: Keep it yourself. When a kid or student ask a question raised by any information on here might jeopardize their academic carrier. For instance, if a student ask to the teacher of physics class in grade 12, "What makes you think Black Hole does exist? I read a short paper that explains how square of real number can not be less than zero."
    Probably the teacher's face turns into bloody red by embarrassment. The student is extremely lucky if the teacher says "Hmm, I'll check it and tell you in next class. Give me the link of paper on Internet."

    Most teachers hardly change face at all.
    Teacher: "What, what do you say? That's full of nonsense."
    Student: "Why is that? I learned that square of any number is bigger than zero in math for 10 years since Grade 1st."
    Teacher: "That's true. But, we are talking about Black Hole not simple square root. Do you see here? Only few exceptional physicists ever describe Black Holes. Black Holes exist in four-dimensional spacetime defined by Einstein, one of the greatest minds ever lived. Okay?"
    Student: "The principals of basic math, relationship of numbers, never been disproved over thousands years. Do you imply that Einstein's theory is absolutely right anyway?"
    Teacher: "How there you try to insult Einstein? ..."


    A Few Things You Need to Know to Tell if a Mathematical Physicist is Talking
    Nonsense: the Black Hole - a Case Study
    Stephen J. Crothers

    http://vixra.org/pdf/1508.0007v1.pdf

    Cosmologists claim that they have found black holes all over the Cosmos. The black
    hole is however entirely a product of mathematics. The simplest case is the
    ‘Schwarzschild’ black hole, from the solution to Einstein’s field equations in the
    absence of matter, for a static, uncharged, non-rotating mass. “In the absence of
    matter” involves linguistic legerdemain, but in any event all types of black holes
    reduce, mathematically speaking, to a very simple question: Can a squared real
    number take values less than zero? Symbolically this is restated as follows. Let r be
    any real number. Is r^2 < 0 possible? No, it’s not possible. Thus, the black hole is not
    possible. Anybody who can square a real number is capable of understanding why the
    black hole is a fantasy of mathematical physicists and cosmologists, illustrating once
    again why it can be very dangerous to put trust in the word of an Authority.
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    even einstein wasn't satisfied with his theory, but it didn't stop the mainstream from grabbing it and running hard with it.....
    but the electric/plasma cosmology has gathered a lot of evidence to show that the dominant model is in error and needs to be redone

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    For the hyper-dimensional physics is not useful mathematics that we now have.

    However, the black hole is simply the implosion fractal field which becomes infinite tunnel implosive where it dissolves in the singularity of the field that is unity.

    The funnel implosive observed with limited means by the idea of the black hole because the white light seems to accumulate in the vacuum domains that creates a perfect sphere, the backwash of this phenomenon dissolves constructs in pure field and there seems to be a black hole .

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    Quote Originally posted by hughe View Post
    So I started to embrace science and technology from different perspective as an active interpreter rather than a passive recipient who can't exercise free thinking at all.
    I've talked on the phone with Mr. Crothers back in 2012 after he had attended his first EU conference. I am glad he is speaking up concerning these matters and has a very aggressive attitude towards the fakers, con-artists and charlatans of establishment. Many of the Nobel Laureates have hoodwinked the public into believing that such entities are real constructs or processes. It feels great that we are exposing them and cutting the fat off so to speak. Mr. Crothers is a gardener, he is plucking the weeds of establishment.

    As well, there are many, many issues concerning basic astrophysics that need to be corrected and adjusted. The black hole, big bang, general relativity nonsense are just the tip of the iceberg. Many of them are rooted in the failure to acknowledge failed models and theories such as the proto-planetary disc theory, and an outright denial of basic thermodynamic processes such as plasma recombination in the atmospheres of stars, and an actual understanding of how chemicals form inside of stars as they evolve and cool (which is ignored completely).

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    Why Black Holes are every where?

    Let's remove the jargon of defintion of Black Holes and see what this it about in plain words.
    In general, Black Holes have infite density, which implies either huge mass in tiny volume or so-so mass in close to zero volume, so that gravity force is near infinite, light can not even escape from it.
    It uses two terms zero and infinity that only exist in human's mind.
    One scary thing of modern science is that it's built upon few fundamental assumptions. I personally see big problems of modern civilization are rooted from the hundreds years old assumptions.

    Can anybody see zero? Zero is smaller than number one. In advanced mathematics zero becomes extremely small state opposite to humongeus big one - infinity. Any operation that creates zero or infinity is impractical. Typical example is division operation in elementary math.

    Dividing number by zero is prohibited. Calculators show error message when the user puts 1/0. It's so simple operation but undefined value, meaningless.

    A star whose mass is twenty times of sun can be a Black Hole according to astronomers.
    An apple who mass is one hunred grams can be a Black Hole that could destroy Earth if it's pressed in tiny tiny space close to zero in volume.

    Huge mass
    ------------------- = near infinite density
    tiny volume

    Apple
    ---------- = infinite density
    zero

    A hair pin
    ---------------- = infinite density
    zero

    All the Black Hole scientists are busy to deny or ignore electricity in Nature. Electromagnetic force is 10^37 to 10^41 times - 10^2 means 10*10 - stronger than gravity in microscopic level, fourth state of matter is plasama, which behaves under the influence of electromagentic force, exists in mascropic level.

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    black hole exist in every system they give birth to stars

    go back to school study Walter Russell

    elements only exist under certain conditions change then and change the element
    gravity is density pressure and temperature
    what goes up must come down a apple which falls from a tree must rise again

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    Black holes with the mass of 3x sun are difficult to detect by astronomers.
    The black hole with some million sun mass is detected in the center of our galaxie the milky-way.
    You need big a teleskop and infrared detector and adaptive optics because there are nebula
    hiding the stars in the middle of the milky way.


    Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KCADH3x56eE



    a math descritipn of the black hole for the public is done by some lectures of Leonard Susskind.
    at Youtube.
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    Hugh:

    I've come to realize that black hole theory is not necessary for the sustaining galactic systems. That is much like how a Pierre-Simon Laplace had stated that god was not required in the workings of the heavens (astronomy) that he had discovered. (https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Pierre-Simon_Laplace and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pierre-Simon_Laplace)

    That does not mean to say a singularity, possibly even surrounded by an event horizon, or perhaps in some other "form", doesn't or can't exist. I just don't know if or where a black hole would exist if it could fit.

    jonsnow:

    The late, Halton Arp, is a veteran astronomer who examined red light shifts presents very very conclusive evidence to suggest that actually stars (and galaxies) are born in galactic ejections that form quasars type stellar objects with very high red shift numbers. (If you care to examine some of that evidence and see for yourself, I provide a link to a presentation of his:

    Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EckBfKPAGNM
    )

    There is absolutely no mention of black holes.

    Quote Originally posted by scibuster
    Black holes with the mass of 3x sun are difficult to detect by astronomers.
    The black hole with some million sun mass is detected in the center of our galaxie the milky-way.
    They are not quite detected, they are concluded to exist based on how observation fit the standard astronomical model. But since alternative theories that may also explain these observations are largely ignored, presentation of the close match is made like it is slam dunk conclusive evidence.

    The assertion of difficulty detecting black holes with 3x solar mass is only another way to say that observations do not fit very well, if at all.
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    Two black massive holes with one Billion solar masses in a distance of one Billion light-years make excellent gravitation waves.
    Three cheers to the detector.

    Inside my body the electric universe rules.
    On large scale the Billion light-yeras the Gravitation rules not the electricity.
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    Black holes losing ground in mainstream science:

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